What do you think about an “Insert cuelist” button in the tools dropdown or when right clicking on a cue? Bring up a dialog, select the list you want to insert, and it would copy the cues into your list after the currently selected cue.
I was reading a post in the midi thread about a user wanting an easier way to link cuelists together, and having to copy song cuelists into a main service cuelist. I think this is still a popular workflow for a lot of people (me included) because you can tweak it without modifying the source list, and insert misc cues as needed. There’s just a lot of actions involved for this though. Open cuelist, select all, copy, go back to the destination list, paste. I think a shortcut to make this one or two actions would help make the workflow faster.
I was also just thinking about this, it would be a great feature. And maybe also a way to update the source cues with the current cues if you wanted to backport the changes.
My workflow is also the same as you have described.
I would take this a step further and also have the option to make inserted lists an alias to the original list. That way any changes you make in the “show” list will be also made in the song list.
Yes, double click the command and choose its new target and close thats it
Even with your idea of adding a cuelist with a right click you would have to do that every time a set list changed its no more work to change the target of an insert command in essence its the same thing.
I was thinking about something like this too but I didn’t bother mentioning it cause there were a few edge cases that I figured might make it too complicated. The biggest case being the need to insert adlib cues, like if you’re in a church service, you’ve got video blackouts and sermon cues etc.The other thing is needing to fine-tune transitions, but that can probably be worked out by using mark cues and mib. Curious what you think about the adlib cues though. If there’s a handful of cues that need to be created and they’re not all right next to each other, you probably don’t want to clutter up the cuelist pool by creating bunch of these disposable lists that only have 1 or 2 cues in them.
I like the setlist idea, but one thing that I am not sure how it could handle is that I also want the ability to tweak individual songs on a week-by-week basis. For example, sometimes I change the wash lights depending on who’s singing that week. I’d love a way to make those temporary changes without affecting the original, master version of the song.
“sometimes I change the wash lights depending on who’s singing that week. I’d love a way to make those temporary changes without affecting the original, master version of the song.”
Surely that’s what a “preset” wash focus is for? You update that as you need.
Alternatively you could “duplicate the cuelist”, edit it, add to setlist.
… and the way to make the transitions perfect is to have “the in-betweens” at the start and end of each list / song. The same would be said if using the snapshot method today.
Didn’t see this till now, but you wouldn’t be editing commands with what I described, its not really the same thing at all. The entire point is to not have to open a cuelist just to edit commands or copy the cues just to paste them in another cuelist. It’s really just a shortcut to simplify a bunch of actions. I wasn’t looking for another workaround with existing tools, which is why I brought up the idea for a new feature. I do like the setlist idea, but there’s still that edge case of “what do you do when you need to insert a special cue between songs”. Jack didn’t weigh in on that yet but could it be possible to add individual cues to the setlist dialog too?
I know this software is heavily used in the church scene so a “new setlist” would be every weekend, often requiring a lot of tweaks and/or new song structure, hence the need for an option to copy as alias or not. But its usually helpful to have at least the skeleton (template) cues available to start with.
To respond to this, this is also what I’m trying to avoid as a workaround because the duplicate song cuelists or any little ad-on cuelists will pile up quick and bloat the showfile. You’d have to really keep on top of deleting the old or making sure volunteers use their own showfile, etc, but that’s really tough to keep up on. I’m thinking it will be easier to find the cuelist you need if there are not a bunch of duplicates, and the only cuelists you’ll need to clean out every so often are the “master” lists.
